IRA decommissioning ‘within weeks’

The Irish Times has a good article today laying out the peace process timetable for the next six months. The completion of decommissioning is the first item on the agenda.

The British and Irish governments expect IRA decommissioning will be completed quickly, following yesterday’s declaration by the organisation that it is abandoning its 35-year armed campaign.

There are strong indications that the destruction of arms may be complete within weeks, while the first of a series of decommissioning acts could be several days away. (Irish Times, via Nuzhound)

It looks as if the need to recruit two clergymen from the Protestant and Catholic churches as independent witnesses may be causing some delay, but its unlikely to be prolonged.

The initial reponse from the British Government looks fairly positive. Peter Hain had this to say yesterday:

β€œFor its part the Government accepts that the IRA statement is intended to express acts of completion.  On that basis, the Government will implement those areas of the Joint Declaration of 2003 which were dependent on this long-awaited decision by the IRA. We will introduce legislation this autumn to resolve the outstanding issue of paramilitary suspects ‘on the run’ and we will move quickly to begin the  normalisation programme outlined in the Joint Declaration. I intend to publish an updated version of that programme shortly. (Northern Ireland Office)

However, the next real milestones will be the upcoming reports of the Independent Monitoring Commission in October and January. Its only after those reports, that there will be any pressure on the DUP to engage over power sharing.

Sinn Fein has never accepted the IMC’s role, but they seem to have acquiesced to this timetable. There is potential for problems down the line, however, if the IMC issues a unfavourable report.


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53 responses to “IRA decommissioning ‘within weeks’”

  1. Sharon O' Suillibhan. avatar

    Like Fianna Fail , The ‘Workers Party’ , and Democratic Left before them , PSF are off to make careers for themselves . They can then sit back , in comfort , and observe the next generation grow-up to attempt to deal with partition and the British claim of jurisdiction over that part of our country .
    By then , ex-PIRA people will be wearing the ‘police’ uniform issued by Westminster and will use same to ‘stop the dissidents’ .
    I hope they get more than thirty pieces of silver for their service to the ‘Crown’ .
    Sharon .

  2. Tom Griffin avatar

    I agree the path Sinn Fein are on is very similar to the one trodden by Fianna Fail etc.
    Having said that I think it is what the Irish people want, and what they voted for in 1998. The onus now will be on the unionists and the two Governments to live up to their commitments.
    Does the SF approach add up to a coherent strategy for a united Ireland? Probably not, but I think it is comes a lot closer than the alternative.

  3. Sharon O' Suillibhan. avatar

    Tom – I would be most interested in knowing how you believe the vote went in 1998 ; I fear you are harbouring illusions re same … ?
    The path PSF are on (since 1986) has been tried before and has failed before . And , actually , the Sunningdale Treaty (1973) offered more than the 1998 treaty did to Irish Republicans , but was rejected ! PSF will ‘get comfortable’ in their careers and obtain a ‘new’ lifestyle which , in turn , will need to be maintained by them holding-on to said careers …
    Sharon .

  4. Young Irelander avatar

    Sharon,
    Wise up. Aren’t you a supporter of Ruairi O’Bradaigh’s Republican Sinn Fein who are best pals with the Continuity IRA?
    You talk about failed paths and you support RSF who are political nobodies!
    It’s time this island had peace. It’s what the majority of us want. just ask O’Bradaigh…

  5. Young Irelander avatar

    Sharon,
    Wise up. Aren’t you a supporter of Ruairi O’Bradaigh’s Republican Sinn Fein who are best pals with the Continuity IRA?
    You talk about failed paths and you support RSF who are political nobodies!
    It’s time this island had peace. It’s what the majority of us want. just ask O’Bradaigh…

  6. Young Irelander avatar

    Sharon,
    Wise up. Aren’t you a supporter of Ruairi O’Bradaigh’s Republican Sinn Fein who are best pals with the Continuity IRA?
    You talk about failed paths and you support RSF who are political nobodies!
    It’s time this island had peace. It’s what the majority of us want. just ask O’Bradaigh…

  7. Sharon O' Suillibhan. avatar

    ” Sharon,
    Wise up. Aren’t you a supporter of Ruairi O’Bradaigh’s Republican Sinn Fein who are best pals with the Continuity IRA? “

    —You are not ‘breaking news’ here with the above comment , ‘YI’ , as I have never concealed my political opinion .
    ” You talk about failed paths and you support RSF who are political nobodies! ”
    –strange that “political nobodies… ” would be capable of holding 31 separate Easter Commemorations , in four different countries , over the one weekend , as RSF did last Easter !!
    Would … , say – 32 Commemorations in Five countries qualify RSF , in your books , ‘YI’ , as “political somebodies… ” ? πŸ˜‰
    ” It’s time this island had peace. It’s what the majority of us want. just ask O’Bradaigh… “
    — “peace” is indeed long overdue . Even at any price , eh … ? In your opinion , ‘YI’ , is ‘peace’ the mere absence of war ?
    Or would ‘peace’ be better served by removing the potential for war , as represented here , in Ireland , by Westminster’s continuing claim of jurisdiction over six of our counties ?
    Perhaps Mr. O’ Bradaigh has the answers you seek ….
    Sharon .

  8. Tom Griffin avatar

    Sharon,
    I agree that careerism is a perennial danger in politics.
    I have thought a lot about this and my own view is that it has as much to do with the nature of political power as with the failings of individuals.
    Power is like money. It can be used for lots of different things. Most of use have some use for it,and some of us are obsessed with it, but whatever we want it for, the fact that we need it imposes a certain range of options.
    Those options are often independent of whether you want political power to achieve real change or just personal benefits.
    That’s why it’s difficult even for politicians themselves to make an honest assessment of their own motivations.
    They can delude themseves that they are doing what is necessary to achieve real change, when in reality they are doing what any other careerist would do in the same circumstances and thus have become irrelevant.
    Of course, it is possible to avoid that dilemma by avoiding political power. That way you don’t compromise your principles, but you don’t get to realise them either.
    Purism and careerism are the twin dangers of all politics.
    If generations of Irish politicians have found that dilemma particularly difficult, I think that is partly because of the ambition of their aspirations, and the acuteness of the constraints upon them.

  9. Sharon O' Suillibhan. avatar

    I have thought a lot about that issue , too , Tom , and read a lot about it , as well . I have reached the conclusion that a politician , no more or less than anyone else , constantly battles their own conscience ie ‘human nature’ : in short – you pay a socialist political rep almost €2000 a week in an Administration which he has vowed ‘to change’ . Suddenly , financial pressure at home is gone . The family have a nice , new car , schooling expenses for the kids are not now such a burden , and holidays are no longer un-affordable . But the socialist rep continues to vow ‘to change’ the system …. starting next week . Which , like tomorrow , never comes …. ! Human nature .
    Liam Lawlor (ex-FF) would be a good example -a near-neighbour of mine , I have known him and his family for a number of years , and he knows my family very well . He corrupted the system for what amounted to €8000 a week , every week , for 17 years ! Because he could – such is the set-up of the political system , and such are the failings of ‘human nature’ which , when combined ….
    “Of course, it is possible to avoid that dilemma by avoiding political power.”
    …avoiding political ‘power’ in a bastardised political system would have served Lawlor (and dozens of others) better . And would have served us tax-payers better , too .
    What sense does it make to put ‘good filling’ in a corrupt shell … ?
    Sharon.

  10. Tom Griffin avatar

    Liam Lawlor is obviously a good example of a careerist, but do you think careerism is the only reason why probably a majority of every generation of republicans have ended up going down the ‘constitutional’ path.

  11. Sharon O' Suillibhan. avatar

    “Liam Lawlor is obviously a good example of a careerist, but do you think careerism is the only reason why probably a majority of every generation of republicans have ended up going down the ‘constitutional’ path.”
    — No , Tom , I do not think that at all – I do believe that that is not their first thought (ie careerism) but , in such a corrupt institution as Leinster House , it soon seeps into them . They may indeed go in with the best of intentions but … as I said – bills paid , no financial pressure (all ‘micro’ things , I know ; but when such has’nt been the case previously they can take on a ‘life’ of their own re finally being able to keep ahead of the bills .. ) etc and ‘human nature’ kicks in – another two grand next week …start the revolution the week after .. !
    We have seen it before in our history , Tom , of which I am sure you are well aware . The RUC/PSNI Board will be next for PSF , then Westminster .
    Then …who knows – an OBE or some-such …. !!
    (Remember Lord Fitt … !)
    Sharon.

  12. Young Irelander avatar

    “strange that “political nobodies… ” would be capable of holding 31 separate Easter Commemorations , in four different countries , over the one weekend , as RSF did last Easter !!
    Would … , say – 32 Commemorations in Five countries qualify RSF , in your books , ‘YI’ , as “political somebodies… ” ? ;-)”
    Sharon, if they got votes I’d label them as political somebodies. Commemorations mean nothing. I wasn’t even aware of these commemorations. They’re completely irrelevant.
    As for my opinion of peace, it would be a society free of paramilitary elements like the Loyalists and the Continuity IRA who are a blot on society.
    You probably disgree though…

  13. Young Irelander avatar

    “strange that “political nobodies… ” would be capable of holding 31 separate Easter Commemorations , in four different countries , over the one weekend , as RSF did last Easter !!
    Would … , say – 32 Commemorations in Five countries qualify RSF , in your books , ‘YI’ , as “political somebodies… ” ? ;-)”
    Sharon, if they got votes I’d label them as political somebodies. Commemorations mean nothing. I wasn’t even aware of these commemorations. They’re completely irrelevant.
    As for my opinion of peace, it would be a society free of paramilitary elements like the Loyalists and the Continuity IRA who are a blot on society.
    You probably disgree though…

  14. Young Irelander avatar

    “strange that “political nobodies… ” would be capable of holding 31 separate Easter Commemorations , in four different countries , over the one weekend , as RSF did last Easter !!
    Would … , say – 32 Commemorations in Five countries qualify RSF , in your books , ‘YI’ , as “political somebodies… ” ? ;-)”
    Sharon, if they got votes I’d label them as political somebodies. Commemorations mean nothing. I wasn’t even aware of these commemorations. They’re completely irrelevant.
    As for my opinion of peace, it would be a society free of paramilitary elements like the Loyalists and the Continuity IRA who are a blot on society.
    You probably disgree though…

  15. Sharon O' Suillibhan. avatar

    “Sharon, if they got votes I’d label them as political somebodies. Commemorations mean nothing. I wasn’t even aware of these commemorations. They’re completely irrelevant.”
    -So Emmet , Tone and Pearse , amongst others , were “political nobodies ” then , ‘YI’ , – is that what you are saying ? Because that IS where your argument takes you , is it not ?
    “Commemorations completely irrelevant… “ to you , obviously , but not to Republicans .
    “As for my opinion of peace, it would be a society free of paramilitary elements like the Loyalists and the Continuity IRA who are a blot on society. ”
    – …but no condemnation from you re the British presence ? British troops on the ground ? The Westminster claim of jurisdiction ? All acceptable to you … ?
    Sharon .

  16. Chris Gaskin avatar

    Yet more talk and no action from so-called Republicans in RSF
    Bar stool Republicans!!

  17. Young Irelander avatar

    Sharon
    “-So Emmet , Tone and Pearse , amongst others , were “political nobodies ” then , ‘YI’ , – is that what you are saying ? Because that IS where your argument takes you , is it not ?”
    Sharon, what on earth are you talking about? Do you know what century you’re in?
    “Commemorations completely irrelevant… ” to you , obviously , but not to Republicans ”
    Commemorations don’t win votes.
    ” …but no condemnation from you re the British presence ? British troops on the ground ? The Westminster claim of jurisdiction ? All acceptable to you … ?”
    I support the GFA and the principle of consent that is enshrined in the constitution.
    Chris
    “Yet more talk and no action from so-called Republicans in RSF”
    Exactly. While I might not agree with Sinn Fein’s policies, at least they’re not stuck in a time warp like RSF.

  18. Young Irelander avatar

    Sharon
    “-So Emmet , Tone and Pearse , amongst others , were “political nobodies ” then , ‘YI’ , – is that what you are saying ? Because that IS where your argument takes you , is it not ?”
    Sharon, what on earth are you talking about? Do you know what century you’re in?
    “Commemorations completely irrelevant… ” to you , obviously , but not to Republicans ”
    Commemorations don’t win votes.
    ” …but no condemnation from you re the British presence ? British troops on the ground ? The Westminster claim of jurisdiction ? All acceptable to you … ?”
    I support the GFA and the principle of consent that is enshrined in the constitution.
    Chris
    “Yet more talk and no action from so-called Republicans in RSF”
    Exactly. While I might not agree with Sinn Fein’s policies, at least they’re not stuck in a time warp like RSF.

  19. Young Irelander avatar

    Sharon
    “-So Emmet , Tone and Pearse , amongst others , were “political nobodies ” then , ‘YI’ , – is that what you are saying ? Because that IS where your argument takes you , is it not ?”
    Sharon, what on earth are you talking about? Do you know what century you’re in?
    “Commemorations completely irrelevant… ” to you , obviously , but not to Republicans ”
    Commemorations don’t win votes.
    ” …but no condemnation from you re the British presence ? British troops on the ground ? The Westminster claim of jurisdiction ? All acceptable to you … ?”
    I support the GFA and the principle of consent that is enshrined in the constitution.
    Chris
    “Yet more talk and no action from so-called Republicans in RSF”
    Exactly. While I might not agree with Sinn Fein’s policies, at least they’re not stuck in a time warp like RSF.

  20. Sharon O' Suillibhan. avatar

    Hi Chris !
    You wrote –
    “Yet more talk and no action from so-called Republicans in RSF
    Bar stool Republicans!!”

    “talk …no action …bar stool Republicans..” – and that after I wrote here re RSF having organised 31 Easter Commemorations in four different countries !!
    A very poor remark , Chris ….
    πŸ™‚ !
    ‘YI’ ‘responded (!) –
    Sharon, what on earth are you talking about? Do you know what century you’re in?
    –so … simply because we are in the 21st cenyury we should dis-regard that which happened in other centuries … ?? Is that what you are saying … ?
    Commemorations don’t win votes.
    —…but they do keep your ‘issues’ ‘live’ with the public and the media , don’t they … ?
    I support the GFA and the principle of consent that is enshrined in the constitution.
    — tell me , ‘YI’ …. – did the majority of voters support the ‘GFA’ , do you think … ?
    Exactly. While I might not agree with Sinn Fein’s policies, at least they’re not stuck in a time warp like RSF.
    — Oh right … a ‘time warp’ as in where you keep doing the same thing over …and over …. and over again , you mean … πŸ˜‰
    Even though it failed before ?
    Really , Chris and ‘YI’ – at least one of ye should be able to do better than the above … !!
    ‘Bye !
    Sharon .

  21. Sharon O' Suillibhan. avatar

    …by the way , ‘YI’ – you never did answer me re what support Tone , Emmet and Pearse had .
    Perhaps now you will … ?
    Sharon .

  22. Young Irelander avatar

    Sharon
    “–so … simply because we are in the 21st cenyury we should dis-regard that which happened in other centuries … ?? Is that what you are saying … ?”
    I’m saying it’s time nationalism evolved and changed with the times. Thankfully it is by and large doing this with the exception of a tiny minority who are stuck in the past like RSF.
    “—…but they do keep your ‘issues’ ‘live’ with the public and the media , don’t they … ?”
    Well RSF’s didn’t. I had no idea they held commemorations and I’m not aware of RTE or any Irish news outlet reporting on them. I see you refused to answer my valid point that commemorations don’t win votes. Ignorance is bliss, eh?
    “– tell me , ‘YI’ …. – did the majority of voters support the ‘GFA’ , do you think … ?”
    Uh…considering it required the majority of Irish people to support it, and considering results show they did, I’m thinking yes!
    “– Oh right … a ‘time warp’ as in where you keep doing the same thing over …and over …. and over again , you mean … πŸ˜‰
    Even though it failed before ?”
    Are you acknowledging RSF are in a time warp? If so, well done.
    “…by the way , ‘YI’ – you never did answer me re what support Tone , Emmet and Pearse had .
    Perhaps now you will … ?”
    I believe I asked you if you knew what century you were in which was me basically saying your point is irrelevant! Tone, Emmet and Pearse, as much as I respect them, are long dead. It’s time we moved on.
    I’ve a question for you – What support, and by support I mean electoral support, have RSF throughout the island right now?
    I await your response.:)

  23. Young Irelander avatar

    Sharon
    “–so … simply because we are in the 21st cenyury we should dis-regard that which happened in other centuries … ?? Is that what you are saying … ?”
    I’m saying it’s time nationalism evolved and changed with the times. Thankfully it is by and large doing this with the exception of a tiny minority who are stuck in the past like RSF.
    “—…but they do keep your ‘issues’ ‘live’ with the public and the media , don’t they … ?”
    Well RSF’s didn’t. I had no idea they held commemorations and I’m not aware of RTE or any Irish news outlet reporting on them. I see you refused to answer my valid point that commemorations don’t win votes. Ignorance is bliss, eh?
    “– tell me , ‘YI’ …. – did the majority of voters support the ‘GFA’ , do you think … ?”
    Uh…considering it required the majority of Irish people to support it, and considering results show they did, I’m thinking yes!
    “– Oh right … a ‘time warp’ as in where you keep doing the same thing over …and over …. and over again , you mean … πŸ˜‰
    Even though it failed before ?”
    Are you acknowledging RSF are in a time warp? If so, well done.
    “…by the way , ‘YI’ – you never did answer me re what support Tone , Emmet and Pearse had .
    Perhaps now you will … ?”
    I believe I asked you if you knew what century you were in which was me basically saying your point is irrelevant! Tone, Emmet and Pearse, as much as I respect them, are long dead. It’s time we moved on.
    I’ve a question for you – What support, and by support I mean electoral support, have RSF throughout the island right now?
    I await your response.:)

  24. Young Irelander avatar

    Sharon
    “–so … simply because we are in the 21st cenyury we should dis-regard that which happened in other centuries … ?? Is that what you are saying … ?”
    I’m saying it’s time nationalism evolved and changed with the times. Thankfully it is by and large doing this with the exception of a tiny minority who are stuck in the past like RSF.
    “—…but they do keep your ‘issues’ ‘live’ with the public and the media , don’t they … ?”
    Well RSF’s didn’t. I had no idea they held commemorations and I’m not aware of RTE or any Irish news outlet reporting on them. I see you refused to answer my valid point that commemorations don’t win votes. Ignorance is bliss, eh?
    “– tell me , ‘YI’ …. – did the majority of voters support the ‘GFA’ , do you think … ?”
    Uh…considering it required the majority of Irish people to support it, and considering results show they did, I’m thinking yes!
    “– Oh right … a ‘time warp’ as in where you keep doing the same thing over …and over …. and over again , you mean … πŸ˜‰
    Even though it failed before ?”
    Are you acknowledging RSF are in a time warp? If so, well done.
    “…by the way , ‘YI’ – you never did answer me re what support Tone , Emmet and Pearse had .
    Perhaps now you will … ?”
    I believe I asked you if you knew what century you were in which was me basically saying your point is irrelevant! Tone, Emmet and Pearse, as much as I respect them, are long dead. It’s time we moved on.
    I’ve a question for you – What support, and by support I mean electoral support, have RSF throughout the island right now?
    I await your response.:)

  25. United Irelander avatar

    The true republicans?

    I’ve been having an interesting exchange over at The Green Ribbon with Sharon O’ Suillibhan who runs the blog 1169 and Counting. Sharon is a self-confessed Republican Sinn Fein supporter and…

  26. United Irelander avatar

    The true republicans?

    I’ve been having an interesting exchange over at The Green Ribbon with Sharon O’ Suillibhan who runs the blog 1169 and Counting. Sharon is a self-confessed Republican Sinn Fein supporter and…

  27. Sharon O' Suillibhan. avatar

    “I’m saying it’s time nationalism evolved and changed with the times. Thankfully it is by and large doing this with the exception of a tiny minority who are stuck in the past like RSF.”
    — “stuck in the past … ” ; much the same charge has been thrown at Republicans throughout history , ‘YI’ : by Free Staters , Brits and other anti-Republicans . You are well-in with that camp , I note….
    “Well RSF’s didn’t. I had no idea they held commemorations…”
    –My point exactly : should you not make yourself aware of the facts BEFORE you post .. ?
    “I’m not aware of RTE or any Irish news outlet reporting on them….”
    –naive enough to be surprised by censorship .. ?
    “I see you refused to answer my valid point that commemorations don’t win votes. Ignorance is bliss, eh?”
    –I replied that they assist in keeping your issues ‘alive’ ; and where exactly did I state that commemorations DO win votes … ?
    “Uh…considering it required the majority of Irish people to support it, and considering results show they did, I’m thinking yes!”
    -Uh ….considering that 43.97 per cent of those entitled to vote on the ‘GFA’ in this State just did’nt bother doing so , and 19 per cent of those entitled to vote on same in the Six Cos just did’nt bother doing so either ….and , of those that DID vote in this State , 5.6 per cent voted ‘NO’ , as did 28.88 per cent of those that DID vote in the Six Cos … how can you state that “the majority of Irish people “ supported it ?
    Uh…you actually DON’T know what your talking about , ‘YI’ , do you … !
    “Are you acknowledging RSF are in a time warp? If so, well done.”
    –Uh…where did I state that ?
    “Tone, Emmet and Pearse, as much as I respect them, are long dead.”
    –but I asked how much (electoral) support they had , ‘YI’ – I did NOT ask if they were still alive ….!!
    “I’ve a question for you – What support, and by support I mean electoral support, have RSF throughout the island right now?”
    –a lot more support , for wanting a British withdrawal , than the British have in wanting to stay ! Would you agree ? Again , ‘YI’ , I ask – what electoral support had Emmet , Tone and Pearse got ?
    In their day , would you have attacked them re this issue … I believe you would have . Shame on you .
    Sharon (Awaiting your response …)

  28. Sharon O' Suillibhan. avatar

    Hi ‘YI’ !!
    Sharon here again !
    I am especially interested in hearing from you re the ‘GFA’ remarks you made in your above post .
    How did you get it so wrong …. ?
    Sharon.

  29. Young Irelander avatar

    “– “stuck in the past … ” ; much the same charge has been thrown at Republicans throughout history , ‘YI’ : by Free Staters , Brits and other anti-Republicans . You are well-in with that camp , I note”
    Ah Sharon just because you’re losing the argument doesn’t mean you should resort to insults! I expected better, really I did. I’m not a Free Stater, I pay my taxes to the Republic of Ireland. Who do you pay your
    taxes to I wonder?
    “–My point exactly : should you not make yourself aware of the facts BEFORE you post .. ?”
    YOUR point was that commemorations “keep your ‘issues’ ‘live’ with the public and the media” Clearly they DO NOT. As I and the great majority of Irish people HAD NO IDEA THEY WERE GOING ON!
    “naive enough to be surprised by censorship .. ?”
    Oh of course, silly me! It’s censorship! And there was me thinking it was because no one gives a damn about a tiny insignificant bunch like RSF!
    “–I replied that they assist in keeping your issues ‘alive’ ; and where exactly did I state that commemorations DO win votes … ?”
    Your reply, in other words, ignored my point that commemorations don’t win votes! Do you or do you not accept that commemorations do not win votes Sharon?
    “Uh ….considering that 43.97 per cent of those entitled to vote on the ‘GFA’ in this State just did’nt bother doing so”
    So? Just because 43% of people didn’t bother voting you jump to the conclusion that they all opposed the GFA? You really are clueless aren’t you? The people who DID vote, made their voices heard. It’s called DEMOCRACY.
    “and 19 per cent of those entitled to vote on same in the Six Cos just did’nt bother doing so either ….”
    But 81% did! That’s a great turnout! Do you expect 100% turnout! LOL!
    “and , of those that DID vote in this State , 5.6 per cent voted ‘NO’ ,”
    5.6%! Wow! That’s a huge number!
    “as did 28.88 per cent of those that DID vote in the Six Cos …”
    Yes but more people in the North supported the GFA and democracy is about what the MAJORITY WANTS in case you didn’t know!
    “how can you state that “the majority of Irish people ” supported it ?”
    Because they did!In the two votes on both States, the majority of people voted YES!
    “Uh…you actually DON’T know what your talking about , ‘YI’ , do you … !”
    Actually I do. You are the one with the warped view of democracy that what the MINORITY wants matters! LOL!
    “Uh…where did I state that ?”
    Where did you NOT say that RSF were in a time warp?
    “–but I asked how much (electoral) support they had , ‘YI’ – I did NOT ask if they were still alive ….!!”
    You should focus on the electoral patterns of the modern era and not on those of centuries ago!
    “–a lot more support , for wanting a British withdrawal , than the British have in wanting to stay !”
    You duck yet another question. The British cannot attain ‘electoral support’ here. I will put the question to you again:
    “What support, and by support I mean electoral support, have RSF throughout the island right now?”
    If you really do have a clue, you will answer.
    “Shame on you.”
    I don’t support terrorists and their proxies. Shame on me? No, shame on YOU.
    Oh and by the way Sharon, if you follow the link to the trackback above, you will find a post I made on my blog about Republican Sinn Fein and I’d be interested if you would comment on it on my blog as I don’t want to ruin Tom’s blog with our discussion.
    Awaiting your response!

  30. Young Irelander avatar

    “– “stuck in the past … ” ; much the same charge has been thrown at Republicans throughout history , ‘YI’ : by Free Staters , Brits and other anti-Republicans . You are well-in with that camp , I note”
    Ah Sharon just because you’re losing the argument doesn’t mean you should resort to insults! I expected better, really I did. I’m not a Free Stater, I pay my taxes to the Republic of Ireland. Who do you pay your
    taxes to I wonder?
    “–My point exactly : should you not make yourself aware of the facts BEFORE you post .. ?”
    YOUR point was that commemorations “keep your ‘issues’ ‘live’ with the public and the media” Clearly they DO NOT. As I and the great majority of Irish people HAD NO IDEA THEY WERE GOING ON!
    “naive enough to be surprised by censorship .. ?”
    Oh of course, silly me! It’s censorship! And there was me thinking it was because no one gives a damn about a tiny insignificant bunch like RSF!
    “–I replied that they assist in keeping your issues ‘alive’ ; and where exactly did I state that commemorations DO win votes … ?”
    Your reply, in other words, ignored my point that commemorations don’t win votes! Do you or do you not accept that commemorations do not win votes Sharon?
    “Uh ….considering that 43.97 per cent of those entitled to vote on the ‘GFA’ in this State just did’nt bother doing so”
    So? Just because 43% of people didn’t bother voting you jump to the conclusion that they all opposed the GFA? You really are clueless aren’t you? The people who DID vote, made their voices heard. It’s called DEMOCRACY.
    “and 19 per cent of those entitled to vote on same in the Six Cos just did’nt bother doing so either ….”
    But 81% did! That’s a great turnout! Do you expect 100% turnout! LOL!
    “and , of those that DID vote in this State , 5.6 per cent voted ‘NO’ ,”
    5.6%! Wow! That’s a huge number!
    “as did 28.88 per cent of those that DID vote in the Six Cos …”
    Yes but more people in the North supported the GFA and democracy is about what the MAJORITY WANTS in case you didn’t know!
    “how can you state that “the majority of Irish people ” supported it ?”
    Because they did!In the two votes on both States, the majority of people voted YES!
    “Uh…you actually DON’T know what your talking about , ‘YI’ , do you … !”
    Actually I do. You are the one with the warped view of democracy that what the MINORITY wants matters! LOL!
    “Uh…where did I state that ?”
    Where did you NOT say that RSF were in a time warp?
    “–but I asked how much (electoral) support they had , ‘YI’ – I did NOT ask if they were still alive ….!!”
    You should focus on the electoral patterns of the modern era and not on those of centuries ago!
    “–a lot more support , for wanting a British withdrawal , than the British have in wanting to stay !”
    You duck yet another question. The British cannot attain ‘electoral support’ here. I will put the question to you again:
    “What support, and by support I mean electoral support, have RSF throughout the island right now?”
    If you really do have a clue, you will answer.
    “Shame on you.”
    I don’t support terrorists and their proxies. Shame on me? No, shame on YOU.
    Oh and by the way Sharon, if you follow the link to the trackback above, you will find a post I made on my blog about Republican Sinn Fein and I’d be interested if you would comment on it on my blog as I don’t want to ruin Tom’s blog with our discussion.
    Awaiting your response!

  31. Young Irelander avatar

    “– “stuck in the past … ” ; much the same charge has been thrown at Republicans throughout history , ‘YI’ : by Free Staters , Brits and other anti-Republicans . You are well-in with that camp , I note”
    Ah Sharon just because you’re losing the argument doesn’t mean you should resort to insults! I expected better, really I did. I’m not a Free Stater, I pay my taxes to the Republic of Ireland. Who do you pay your
    taxes to I wonder?
    “–My point exactly : should you not make yourself aware of the facts BEFORE you post .. ?”
    YOUR point was that commemorations “keep your ‘issues’ ‘live’ with the public and the media” Clearly they DO NOT. As I and the great majority of Irish people HAD NO IDEA THEY WERE GOING ON!
    “naive enough to be surprised by censorship .. ?”
    Oh of course, silly me! It’s censorship! And there was me thinking it was because no one gives a damn about a tiny insignificant bunch like RSF!
    “–I replied that they assist in keeping your issues ‘alive’ ; and where exactly did I state that commemorations DO win votes … ?”
    Your reply, in other words, ignored my point that commemorations don’t win votes! Do you or do you not accept that commemorations do not win votes Sharon?
    “Uh ….considering that 43.97 per cent of those entitled to vote on the ‘GFA’ in this State just did’nt bother doing so”
    So? Just because 43% of people didn’t bother voting you jump to the conclusion that they all opposed the GFA? You really are clueless aren’t you? The people who DID vote, made their voices heard. It’s called DEMOCRACY.
    “and 19 per cent of those entitled to vote on same in the Six Cos just did’nt bother doing so either ….”
    But 81% did! That’s a great turnout! Do you expect 100% turnout! LOL!
    “and , of those that DID vote in this State , 5.6 per cent voted ‘NO’ ,”
    5.6%! Wow! That’s a huge number!
    “as did 28.88 per cent of those that DID vote in the Six Cos …”
    Yes but more people in the North supported the GFA and democracy is about what the MAJORITY WANTS in case you didn’t know!
    “how can you state that “the majority of Irish people ” supported it ?”
    Because they did!In the two votes on both States, the majority of people voted YES!
    “Uh…you actually DON’T know what your talking about , ‘YI’ , do you … !”
    Actually I do. You are the one with the warped view of democracy that what the MINORITY wants matters! LOL!
    “Uh…where did I state that ?”
    Where did you NOT say that RSF were in a time warp?
    “–but I asked how much (electoral) support they had , ‘YI’ – I did NOT ask if they were still alive ….!!”
    You should focus on the electoral patterns of the modern era and not on those of centuries ago!
    “–a lot more support , for wanting a British withdrawal , than the British have in wanting to stay !”
    You duck yet another question. The British cannot attain ‘electoral support’ here. I will put the question to you again:
    “What support, and by support I mean electoral support, have RSF throughout the island right now?”
    If you really do have a clue, you will answer.
    “Shame on you.”
    I don’t support terrorists and their proxies. Shame on me? No, shame on YOU.
    Oh and by the way Sharon, if you follow the link to the trackback above, you will find a post I made on my blog about Republican Sinn Fein and I’d be interested if you would comment on it on my blog as I don’t want to ruin Tom’s blog with our discussion.
    Awaiting your response!

  32. Sharon O' Suillibhan. avatar

    “Ah Sharon just because you’re losing the argument doesn’t mean you should resort to insults! I expected better, really I did. I’m not a Free Stater, I pay my taxes to the Republic of Ireland. Who do you pay your
    taxes to I wonder? “

    — Do you not recognise the difference between “paying taxes” (ie having same stopped at source – no option !) and ‘supporting the State’ ?
    No wonder you are confused re who is losing the argument … !
    “YOUR point was that commemorations “keep your ‘issues’ ‘live’ with the public and the media” Clearly they DO NOT. As I and the great majority of Irish people HAD NO IDEA THEY WERE GOING ON! “
    ” The great majority of the Irish people … ” , ‘YI’ ? You speak on their behalf – LOL !! The information is out there – in RSF’s monthly ‘paper and on their website (copied by other sites as well) – if you don’t make yourself aware , it is not on to blame others for your ignorance , is it … ?
    “Oh of course, silly me! It’s censorship! And there was me thinking it was because no one gives a damn about a tiny insignificant bunch like RSF!”
    —again , ‘YI’ – could “a tiny insignificant bunch … ” organise 31 events ,to take place in four countries ,on the one day ?
    Could they – honestly , ‘YI’ – is that possible , do you think ?
    Re the ‘GFA’/Stormont Treaty vote – in a previous post you wrote –
    ” Uh…considering it required the majority of Irish people to support it, and considering results show they did, I’m thinking yes!”
    …but NOW you state –
    “The people who DID vote, made their voices heard. “
    CONGRATS , ‘YI’ !!
    NOW you recognise the difference – ie ‘Majority of the Irish people … ‘ AND ‘The people who DID vote … ‘ . It took a bit of prompting on my part , but you finally got there. Well done to you !
    “Your reply, in other words, ignored my point that commemorations don’t win votes! Do you or do you not accept that commemorations do not win votes Sharon? ”
    — again , ‘YI’ – PLEASE show me where I stated commemorations do win votes ?
    “Where did you NOT say that RSF were in a time warp?”
    –oh really – How childish !
    I never said that I do not support the PD’s : does that mean that I DO support them , do you think …. LOL !!
    And – once again – you have ducked my question re the electoral support that Emmet , Tone and Pearse had . But of course you did – you know the answer … !
    “The British cannot attain ‘electoral support’ here.”
    –not even in the Six Counties , ‘YI’ … ??
    You walked into that one . Which is …uh ….unusual for you .. πŸ˜‰
    “I don’t support terrorists and their proxies. Shame on me? No, shame on YOU.”
    Why ? I do not support said groups , either .
    “Oh and by the way Sharon, if you follow the link to the trackback above, you will find a post I made on my blog about Republican Sinn Fein and I’d be interested if you would comment on it on my blog as I don’t want to ruin Tom’s blog with our discussion.
    Awaiting your response! ”

    —oh do try and keep up , ‘YI’ , won’t you … ?
    I have already done that – hours ago !
    Sharon.

  33. Young Irelander avatar

    Sharon
    “– Do you not recognise the difference between “paying taxes” (ie having same stopped at source – no option !) and ‘supporting the State’ ?
    No wonder you are confused re who is losing the argument … !”
    Another question ducked I see. Who do you pay your taxes to Sharon? You supposedly don’t support Leinster House yet I bet you pay your taxes to fund it! Hypocrite.
    “? You speak on their behalf – LOL !!”
    The great majority of Irish people watch RTE do they not? You yourself claimed that RTE were censoring you! You’re all over the place Sharon. Just like the party you support…
    “The information is out there – in RSF’s monthly ‘paper and on their website (copied by other sites as well) – if you don’t make yourself aware , it is not on to blame others for your ignorance , is it … ?”
    Why would the majority of Irish people go on to RSF’s website? Listen to yourself.
    If RSF’s commemoration can’t make it to our TV screens then they’re POLITICAL NOBODIES.
    “again , ‘YI’ – could “a tiny insignificant bunch … ” organise 31 events ,to take place in four countries ,on the one day ?
    Could they – honestly , ‘YI’ – is that possible , do you think ?”
    Course it’s possible. Are you for real?
    “NOW you recognise the difference – ie ‘Majority of the Irish people … ‘ AND ‘The people who DID vote … ‘ . It took a bit of prompting on my part , but you finally got there. Well done to you !”
    What difference? The MAJORITY OF IRISH PEOPLE DID SUPPORT THE GFA. HOW CAN YOU DISPUTE THAT?
    “again , ‘YI’ – PLEASE show me where I stated commemorations do win votes ?”
    Sharon, my point is that you’re not answering my question and my question to you is:
    “Do you or do you not accept that commemorations do not win votes Sharon?”
    Your reluctance to answer the question only serves to confirm my view that you are losing the argument. Running away in other words.
    “I never said that I do not support the PD’s : does that mean that I DO support them , do you think …. LOL !!”
    Oh but I never mentioned the PDs Sharon, yet I DID mention that RSF were in a time warp and you appeared to acknowledge that!
    “And – once again – you have ducked my question re the electoral support that Emmet , Tone and Pearse had . But of course you did – you know the answer … !”
    I didn’t duck your question. I informed you it was irrelevant. Which it is. Unless you can explain to me the relevance…
    “–not even in the Six Counties , ‘YI’ … ??
    You walked into that one . Which is …uh ….unusual for you .. ;-)”
    You wouldn’t be suggesting that the Unionists are British would you Sharon? Surely not when RSF’s website tells us that they are ‘part of the Irish nation’. I think you walked into that one. LOL!
    “Why ? I do not support said groups , either ”
    The US regards RSF and CIRA as terrorists. Get you facts right.
    “—oh do try and keep up , ‘YI’ , won’t you … ?
    I have already done that – hours ago !”
    When I posted that you hadn’t. You are confusing the times Sharon.
    Then again, Republican Sinn Fein are all about confusing the times! LOL!

  34. Young Irelander avatar

    Sharon
    “– Do you not recognise the difference between “paying taxes” (ie having same stopped at source – no option !) and ‘supporting the State’ ?
    No wonder you are confused re who is losing the argument … !”
    Another question ducked I see. Who do you pay your taxes to Sharon? You supposedly don’t support Leinster House yet I bet you pay your taxes to fund it! Hypocrite.
    “? You speak on their behalf – LOL !!”
    The great majority of Irish people watch RTE do they not? You yourself claimed that RTE were censoring you! You’re all over the place Sharon. Just like the party you support…
    “The information is out there – in RSF’s monthly ‘paper and on their website (copied by other sites as well) – if you don’t make yourself aware , it is not on to blame others for your ignorance , is it … ?”
    Why would the majority of Irish people go on to RSF’s website? Listen to yourself.
    If RSF’s commemoration can’t make it to our TV screens then they’re POLITICAL NOBODIES.
    “again , ‘YI’ – could “a tiny insignificant bunch … ” organise 31 events ,to take place in four countries ,on the one day ?
    Could they – honestly , ‘YI’ – is that possible , do you think ?”
    Course it’s possible. Are you for real?
    “NOW you recognise the difference – ie ‘Majority of the Irish people … ‘ AND ‘The people who DID vote … ‘ . It took a bit of prompting on my part , but you finally got there. Well done to you !”
    What difference? The MAJORITY OF IRISH PEOPLE DID SUPPORT THE GFA. HOW CAN YOU DISPUTE THAT?
    “again , ‘YI’ – PLEASE show me where I stated commemorations do win votes ?”
    Sharon, my point is that you’re not answering my question and my question to you is:
    “Do you or do you not accept that commemorations do not win votes Sharon?”
    Your reluctance to answer the question only serves to confirm my view that you are losing the argument. Running away in other words.
    “I never said that I do not support the PD’s : does that mean that I DO support them , do you think …. LOL !!”
    Oh but I never mentioned the PDs Sharon, yet I DID mention that RSF were in a time warp and you appeared to acknowledge that!
    “And – once again – you have ducked my question re the electoral support that Emmet , Tone and Pearse had . But of course you did – you know the answer … !”
    I didn’t duck your question. I informed you it was irrelevant. Which it is. Unless you can explain to me the relevance…
    “–not even in the Six Counties , ‘YI’ … ??
    You walked into that one . Which is …uh ….unusual for you .. ;-)”
    You wouldn’t be suggesting that the Unionists are British would you Sharon? Surely not when RSF’s website tells us that they are ‘part of the Irish nation’. I think you walked into that one. LOL!
    “Why ? I do not support said groups , either ”
    The US regards RSF and CIRA as terrorists. Get you facts right.
    “—oh do try and keep up , ‘YI’ , won’t you … ?
    I have already done that – hours ago !”
    When I posted that you hadn’t. You are confusing the times Sharon.
    Then again, Republican Sinn Fein are all about confusing the times! LOL!

  35. Young Irelander avatar

    Sharon
    “– Do you not recognise the difference between “paying taxes” (ie having same stopped at source – no option !) and ‘supporting the State’ ?
    No wonder you are confused re who is losing the argument … !”
    Another question ducked I see. Who do you pay your taxes to Sharon? You supposedly don’t support Leinster House yet I bet you pay your taxes to fund it! Hypocrite.
    “? You speak on their behalf – LOL !!”
    The great majority of Irish people watch RTE do they not? You yourself claimed that RTE were censoring you! You’re all over the place Sharon. Just like the party you support…
    “The information is out there – in RSF’s monthly ‘paper and on their website (copied by other sites as well) – if you don’t make yourself aware , it is not on to blame others for your ignorance , is it … ?”
    Why would the majority of Irish people go on to RSF’s website? Listen to yourself.
    If RSF’s commemoration can’t make it to our TV screens then they’re POLITICAL NOBODIES.
    “again , ‘YI’ – could “a tiny insignificant bunch … ” organise 31 events ,to take place in four countries ,on the one day ?
    Could they – honestly , ‘YI’ – is that possible , do you think ?”
    Course it’s possible. Are you for real?
    “NOW you recognise the difference – ie ‘Majority of the Irish people … ‘ AND ‘The people who DID vote … ‘ . It took a bit of prompting on my part , but you finally got there. Well done to you !”
    What difference? The MAJORITY OF IRISH PEOPLE DID SUPPORT THE GFA. HOW CAN YOU DISPUTE THAT?
    “again , ‘YI’ – PLEASE show me where I stated commemorations do win votes ?”
    Sharon, my point is that you’re not answering my question and my question to you is:
    “Do you or do you not accept that commemorations do not win votes Sharon?”
    Your reluctance to answer the question only serves to confirm my view that you are losing the argument. Running away in other words.
    “I never said that I do not support the PD’s : does that mean that I DO support them , do you think …. LOL !!”
    Oh but I never mentioned the PDs Sharon, yet I DID mention that RSF were in a time warp and you appeared to acknowledge that!
    “And – once again – you have ducked my question re the electoral support that Emmet , Tone and Pearse had . But of course you did – you know the answer … !”
    I didn’t duck your question. I informed you it was irrelevant. Which it is. Unless you can explain to me the relevance…
    “–not even in the Six Counties , ‘YI’ … ??
    You walked into that one . Which is …uh ….unusual for you .. ;-)”
    You wouldn’t be suggesting that the Unionists are British would you Sharon? Surely not when RSF’s website tells us that they are ‘part of the Irish nation’. I think you walked into that one. LOL!
    “Why ? I do not support said groups , either ”
    The US regards RSF and CIRA as terrorists. Get you facts right.
    “—oh do try and keep up , ‘YI’ , won’t you … ?
    I have already done that – hours ago !”
    When I posted that you hadn’t. You are confusing the times Sharon.
    Then again, Republican Sinn Fein are all about confusing the times! LOL!

  36. Sharon O' Suillibhan. avatar

    “Another question ducked I see. Who do you pay your taxes to Sharon? You supposedly don’t support Leinster House yet I bet you pay your taxes to fund it! Hypocrite.”
    –No one “payes taxes … ” , as in calls in to the Revenue Commissioners and hands it over , ‘YI’ ! – all tax in this State is stopped at source ! ie before those who have earned the money receive that money – is this news to you ?
    “The great majority of Irish people watch RTE do they not? You yourself claimed that RTE were censoring you! You’re all over the place Sharon. Just like the party you support…”
    –that’s exactly the point , ‘YI’ – if “the great majority of Irish people… ” DO watch RTE and RTE censors RSF ……ahh – I hear the sound of a penny dropping … ! By the way – what “party .. “ do I support , ‘YI’ ??
    “What difference? The MAJORITY OF IRISH PEOPLE DID SUPPORT THE GFA. HOW CAN YOU DISPUTE THAT?”
    –so you do not recognise that there is a (huge!) difference between “…the majority of the Irish people … “ and “…the majority of the Irish people that voted … ” ? Are you serious , or is it just that you now realise that you are simply digging a deeper hole for yourself (thus the use of caps) ?
    “Why would the majority of Irish people go on to RSF’s website? Listen to yourself.
    If RSF’s commemoration can’t make it to our TV screens then they’re POLITICAL NOBODIES.”

    –so you judge events as important ONLY if they are televised ? That’s shallow , ‘YI’ – I would have expected …. well .. no , I can’t really say that … !
    And more caps – dig that hole , ‘YI’ … !!
    I asked you –“again , ‘YI’ – could “a tiny insignificant bunch … ” organise 31 events ,to take place in four countries ,on the one day ?
    Could they – honestly , ‘YI’ – is that possible , do you think ?”

    And you replied – “Course it’s possible. Are you for real?”
    –LOL !! What a cop-out on your part , ‘YI’ ! Unbelievable ! Obviously , if a group were as small as you suggested they were , they would not be able to organise an event like that . Digging , digging , digging … !
    “Oh but I never mentioned the PDs Sharon, yet I DID mention that RSF were in a time warp and you appeared to acknowledge that!”
    –Where did I do that ? Show me . Only in your mind , I’m afraid … !
    You will require a new shovel soon at this rate !
    “Do you or do you not accept that commemorations do not win votes Sharon?”
    –Had I stated that they do , then I would be prepared to defend my position , ‘YI’ . But I never did say that , did I … ?
    “I didn’t duck your question. I informed you it was irrelevant. Which it is. Unless you can explain to me the relevance…”
    –Well …uh … (!) – the relevance is , obviously , that Emmet , Tone and Pearse all took action which they claimed to be on behalf of the Irish people . Were they correct to do so , ‘YI’ , even though they had no mandate from the people to do it ? What do you think … ?
    “You wouldn’t be suggesting that the Unionists are British would you Sharon?”
    –Of course they are part of the Irish nation , ‘YI’ – but they consider themselves to be British , do they not ?
    And they support , for the most part , political parties which wish to maintain ‘the union’ , don’t they ? You may need a JCB , ‘YI’ – you are that deep in the hole of your own making… !
    “The US regards RSF and CIRA as terrorists. Get you facts right.”
    — LOL !! “The US regards … ” !!
    Bush Jnr -one of the biggest terrorists in the world – is your ‘yardstick’ ??
    You really have lost the plot ! “The US regards … ” , indeed ! LOL !!
    “Then again, Republican Sinn Fein are all about confusing the times!”
    — Yes , indeed – it’s time we all took our lead from what “the US regards … ” !! I knew you were new at this . I just failed to realise how new …. !!
    Sharon .

  37. Young Irelander avatar

    Sharon
    “–No one “payes taxes … ” , as in calls in to the Revenue Commissioners and hands it over , ‘YI’ ! – all tax in this State is stopped at source ! ie before those who have earned the money receive that money”
    In other words, your taxes fund the State you supposedly oppose. What a hypocrite you are!
    “if “the great majority of Irish people… ” DO watch RTE and RTE censors RSF”
    There’s no “if”. TV ratings show that most Irish people watch RTE. It’s called a FACT. Your idea that RTE is censoring RSF isc alled “absolute nonsense”.
    “–so you do not recognise that there is a (huge!) difference between “…the majority of the Irish people … ” and “…the majority of the Irish people that voted … ”
    You’re clutching at straws Sharon. People who don’t vote are irrelevant! And why do you jump to the conclusion that those who didn’t vote are OPPOSED to the GFA! A spurious argument!
    “so you judge events as important ONLY if they are televised ? That’s shallow , ‘YI’ ”
    No it’s common sense. Of which you are clearly lacking. Why would RTE teelvise an event that no one gives a damn about? If there was large interest in RSF, RTE would show it as it would win ratings wouldn’t they?
    “And more caps”
    You used Caps too! HYPOCRITE.:)
    “if a group were as small as you suggested they were , they would not be able to organise an event like that”
    Rubbish. I could set up a society with 64 people and send 2 people each to a county throughout the island. It’s not that hard Sharon!
    “Where did I do that ? Show me .”
    Where did you appear to acknowledge RSF were in a time warp? Here – On August 3, 6:39 pm I said and I quote:
    “While I might not agree with Sinn Fein’s policies, at least they’re not stuck in a time warp like RSF”
    You quoted the above piece back to me on August 3rd, 9:01 pm saying and I quote:
    ” Oh right … a ‘time warp’ as in where you keep doing the same thing over …and over …. and over again , you mean … πŸ˜‰
    Even though it failed before ?”
    You did not deny that RSF were in a time warp and seemed to acknowledge they were! Someone get Sharon a spoon so she can eat some humble pie!
    “Had I stated that they do , then I would be prepared to defend my position , ‘YI’ . But I never did say that , did I … ?”
    Run away Sharon why don’t you. If you’re feeling more courageous next time, here’s the question again:
    “Do you or do you not accept that commemorations do not win votes Sharon?”
    “Well …uh … (!) – the relevance is , obviously , that Emmet , Tone and Pearse all took action which they claimed to be on behalf of the Irish people . Were they correct to do so , ‘YI’ , even though they had no mandate from the people to do it ? What do you think … ?”
    Yes I think they were correct to do so. Now tell me, where is the relevance in what Pearse did which was almost 90 years ago and Emmet and Tone’s action which were centuries ago? How is this relelvant to 2005? Sharon?
    “Of course they are part of the Irish nation , ‘YI’ – but they consider themselves to be British , do they not ?”
    Uh-oh! Sharon’s in a hole and there’s no one to help! I said and I quote:
    “The British cannot attain ‘electoral support’ here.”
    You replied:
    “not even in the Six Counties , ‘YI’ … ??
    You walked into that one”
    Yet NOW, you say:
    ” they consider themselves to be British , do they not ?”
    So what they think matters? Since you’re so considerate towards the unionist position Sharon, why is it you will not seek your aims with their consent and consider their position in wanting the Union to say? You’re a hypocrite Sharon and you’re clearly struggling here.
    “Bush Jnr -one of the biggest terrorists in the world – is your ‘yardstick’ ??”
    Hold on, Bush Jnr is a terrorist and CIRA and RSF are not? I worry about you…
    Sharon, do yourself a favour, and figure out where you stand in politics. I really don’t like having to embarrass people like this.
    Awaitng your response!

  38. Young Irelander avatar

    Sharon
    “–No one “payes taxes … ” , as in calls in to the Revenue Commissioners and hands it over , ‘YI’ ! – all tax in this State is stopped at source ! ie before those who have earned the money receive that money”
    In other words, your taxes fund the State you supposedly oppose. What a hypocrite you are!
    “if “the great majority of Irish people… ” DO watch RTE and RTE censors RSF”
    There’s no “if”. TV ratings show that most Irish people watch RTE. It’s called a FACT. Your idea that RTE is censoring RSF isc alled “absolute nonsense”.
    “–so you do not recognise that there is a (huge!) difference between “…the majority of the Irish people … ” and “…the majority of the Irish people that voted … ”
    You’re clutching at straws Sharon. People who don’t vote are irrelevant! And why do you jump to the conclusion that those who didn’t vote are OPPOSED to the GFA! A spurious argument!
    “so you judge events as important ONLY if they are televised ? That’s shallow , ‘YI’ ”
    No it’s common sense. Of which you are clearly lacking. Why would RTE teelvise an event that no one gives a damn about? If there was large interest in RSF, RTE would show it as it would win ratings wouldn’t they?
    “And more caps”
    You used Caps too! HYPOCRITE.:)
    “if a group were as small as you suggested they were , they would not be able to organise an event like that”
    Rubbish. I could set up a society with 64 people and send 2 people each to a county throughout the island. It’s not that hard Sharon!
    “Where did I do that ? Show me .”
    Where did you appear to acknowledge RSF were in a time warp? Here – On August 3, 6:39 pm I said and I quote:
    “While I might not agree with Sinn Fein’s policies, at least they’re not stuck in a time warp like RSF”
    You quoted the above piece back to me on August 3rd, 9:01 pm saying and I quote:
    ” Oh right … a ‘time warp’ as in where you keep doing the same thing over …and over …. and over again , you mean … πŸ˜‰
    Even though it failed before ?”
    You did not deny that RSF were in a time warp and seemed to acknowledge they were! Someone get Sharon a spoon so she can eat some humble pie!
    “Had I stated that they do , then I would be prepared to defend my position , ‘YI’ . But I never did say that , did I … ?”
    Run away Sharon why don’t you. If you’re feeling more courageous next time, here’s the question again:
    “Do you or do you not accept that commemorations do not win votes Sharon?”
    “Well …uh … (!) – the relevance is , obviously , that Emmet , Tone and Pearse all took action which they claimed to be on behalf of the Irish people . Were they correct to do so , ‘YI’ , even though they had no mandate from the people to do it ? What do you think … ?”
    Yes I think they were correct to do so. Now tell me, where is the relevance in what Pearse did which was almost 90 years ago and Emmet and Tone’s action which were centuries ago? How is this relelvant to 2005? Sharon?
    “Of course they are part of the Irish nation , ‘YI’ – but they consider themselves to be British , do they not ?”
    Uh-oh! Sharon’s in a hole and there’s no one to help! I said and I quote:
    “The British cannot attain ‘electoral support’ here.”
    You replied:
    “not even in the Six Counties , ‘YI’ … ??
    You walked into that one”
    Yet NOW, you say:
    ” they consider themselves to be British , do they not ?”
    So what they think matters? Since you’re so considerate towards the unionist position Sharon, why is it you will not seek your aims with their consent and consider their position in wanting the Union to say? You’re a hypocrite Sharon and you’re clearly struggling here.
    “Bush Jnr -one of the biggest terrorists in the world – is your ‘yardstick’ ??”
    Hold on, Bush Jnr is a terrorist and CIRA and RSF are not? I worry about you…
    Sharon, do yourself a favour, and figure out where you stand in politics. I really don’t like having to embarrass people like this.
    Awaitng your response!

  39. Young Irelander avatar

    Sharon
    “–No one “payes taxes … ” , as in calls in to the Revenue Commissioners and hands it over , ‘YI’ ! – all tax in this State is stopped at source ! ie before those who have earned the money receive that money”
    In other words, your taxes fund the State you supposedly oppose. What a hypocrite you are!
    “if “the great majority of Irish people… ” DO watch RTE and RTE censors RSF”
    There’s no “if”. TV ratings show that most Irish people watch RTE. It’s called a FACT. Your idea that RTE is censoring RSF isc alled “absolute nonsense”.
    “–so you do not recognise that there is a (huge!) difference between “…the majority of the Irish people … ” and “…the majority of the Irish people that voted … ”
    You’re clutching at straws Sharon. People who don’t vote are irrelevant! And why do you jump to the conclusion that those who didn’t vote are OPPOSED to the GFA! A spurious argument!
    “so you judge events as important ONLY if they are televised ? That’s shallow , ‘YI’ ”
    No it’s common sense. Of which you are clearly lacking. Why would RTE teelvise an event that no one gives a damn about? If there was large interest in RSF, RTE would show it as it would win ratings wouldn’t they?
    “And more caps”
    You used Caps too! HYPOCRITE.:)
    “if a group were as small as you suggested they were , they would not be able to organise an event like that”
    Rubbish. I could set up a society with 64 people and send 2 people each to a county throughout the island. It’s not that hard Sharon!
    “Where did I do that ? Show me .”
    Where did you appear to acknowledge RSF were in a time warp? Here – On August 3, 6:39 pm I said and I quote:
    “While I might not agree with Sinn Fein’s policies, at least they’re not stuck in a time warp like RSF”
    You quoted the above piece back to me on August 3rd, 9:01 pm saying and I quote:
    ” Oh right … a ‘time warp’ as in where you keep doing the same thing over …and over …. and over again , you mean … πŸ˜‰
    Even though it failed before ?”
    You did not deny that RSF were in a time warp and seemed to acknowledge they were! Someone get Sharon a spoon so she can eat some humble pie!
    “Had I stated that they do , then I would be prepared to defend my position , ‘YI’ . But I never did say that , did I … ?”
    Run away Sharon why don’t you. If you’re feeling more courageous next time, here’s the question again:
    “Do you or do you not accept that commemorations do not win votes Sharon?”
    “Well …uh … (!) – the relevance is , obviously , that Emmet , Tone and Pearse all took action which they claimed to be on behalf of the Irish people . Were they correct to do so , ‘YI’ , even though they had no mandate from the people to do it ? What do you think … ?”
    Yes I think they were correct to do so. Now tell me, where is the relevance in what Pearse did which was almost 90 years ago and Emmet and Tone’s action which were centuries ago? How is this relelvant to 2005? Sharon?
    “Of course they are part of the Irish nation , ‘YI’ – but they consider themselves to be British , do they not ?”
    Uh-oh! Sharon’s in a hole and there’s no one to help! I said and I quote:
    “The British cannot attain ‘electoral support’ here.”
    You replied:
    “not even in the Six Counties , ‘YI’ … ??
    You walked into that one”
    Yet NOW, you say:
    ” they consider themselves to be British , do they not ?”
    So what they think matters? Since you’re so considerate towards the unionist position Sharon, why is it you will not seek your aims with their consent and consider their position in wanting the Union to say? You’re a hypocrite Sharon and you’re clearly struggling here.
    “Bush Jnr -one of the biggest terrorists in the world – is your ‘yardstick’ ??”
    Hold on, Bush Jnr is a terrorist and CIRA and RSF are not? I worry about you…
    Sharon, do yourself a favour, and figure out where you stand in politics. I really don’t like having to embarrass people like this.
    Awaitng your response!

  40. Sharon O' Suillibhan. avatar

    “In other words, your taxes fund the State you supposedly oppose. What a hypocrite you are!”
    –“taxes stopped at source ” too complicated for you to comprehend , ‘YI’ ?
    “Your idea that RTE is censoring RSF isc alled “absolute nonsense”.”
    –You really are naive , ‘YI’ !! You said yourself they did not cover any of the 31 Easter Commemorations held by RSF – they did not ever report (on radio) that the events took place . Its called ‘censorship’ .
    “You’re clutching at straws Sharon. People who don’t vote are irrelevant! And why do you jump to the conclusion that those who didn’t vote are OPPOSED to the GFA! A spurious argument!”
    — “irrelevant” ?? What an extreme right-wing viewpoint !
    And , no , I never did count those ‘non-voters’ in to the equation as ‘NO’ (or ‘YES’) voters . Where did you get that idea from – Mr Bush … ? (!)
    “No it’s common sense. Of which you are clearly lacking.”
    — ” Common sense … ” ?
    So if its not on the TV …then it did’nt happen ! And you consider that “common sense … ” ?
    “You used Caps too! HYPOCRITE.:)”
    –in reply to you – yes , I did . In the (quickly failing !) hope that I might get through to you … πŸ˜‰
    “Rubbish. I could set up a society with 64 people and send 2 people each to a county throughout the island. It’s not that hard Sharon!”
    —LOL !! What a fantasy world you live in , ‘YI’ !! I presume “your” readers would do that for you , eh … ?? πŸ˜‰ [2 people at a ‘YI’ Easter Commemoration – LOL – I can picture it now … !]
    ” Oh right … a ‘time warp’ as in where you keep doing the same thing over …and over …. and over again , you mean … πŸ˜‰
    Even though it failed before ?”
    –mine , from an earlier post – and you took that to read – “Yes . RSF are in a time warp. ” Are you serious .. ??
    “Do you or do you not accept that commemorations do not win votes Sharon?”
    –I cannot find that damn post in which I said they did … !! ‘Run away’ and find it for me , will you , ‘YI’ ? Thanks ….
    “Yes I think they were correct to do so.”
    — I AM SHOCKED !! Emmet , Tone and Pearse operating without a mandate and you support them in doing so ?
    Oh you rebel (terrorist?) you !! lol !!
    “Now tell me, where is the relevance in what Pearse did which was almost 90 years ago and Emmet and Tone’s action which were centuries ago? How is this relelvant to 2005? Sharon?”
    — same struggle , same enemy !
    Relevant enough for you ?
    “So what they think matters?”
    –but what the Unionists think has always mattered to us Republicans , ‘YI’ . Which is why we desire to give them their own parliament in Ulster ! Are you attempting to ‘scold’ us for being too generous , or what is your problem with that proposal ?
    “Hold on, Bush Jnr is a terrorist… ”
    –you only say that now because I pulled you up on it in an earlier post ! You chancer !
    “I really don’t like having to embarrass people like this.”
    –I have no doubt you have embarrassed women in the past (and will continue doing so in the future!) , but I am not one of them ! Rest easy on that score , ‘YI’ ..!!
    Sharon.

  41. Young Irelander avatar

    “–“taxes stopped at source ” too complicated for you to comprehend , ‘YI’ ?”
    Sharon you pay taxes to a State you claim to oppose. You’re a hypocrite.
    “You said yourself they did not cover any of the 31 Easter Commemorations held by RSF – they did not ever report (on radio) that the events took place . Its called ‘censorship’”
    It’s not censorship, it’s you talking out of your backside because you know RSF are irrelevant. The Irish communists would gain more votes. LOL.
    “And , no , I never did count those ‘non-voters’ in to the equation as ‘NO’ (or ‘YES’) voters ”
    Actually you did as YOU brought up those who didn’t vote, not me.
    “So if its not on the TV …then it did’nt happen”
    Actually I never said that. I said as it wasn’t on the TV it wasn’t deemed important by RTE. Do keep up love.
    “in reply to you – yes , I did ”
    So you admit you used capital letters and that your attack on me for doing so was hypocritical. Thanks.
    “What a fantasy world you live in , ‘YI’ ”
    Says the woman who thinks that the opinions of Tone, Emmet and Pearse are relevant to 2005 and who thinks RTE are censoring RSF. LOL!
    “2 people at a ‘YI’ Easter Commemoration – LOL – I can picture it now … !]”
    If you attend RSF commemorations you could easily picture it. LOL!
    “mine , from an earlier post – and you took that to read – “Yes . RSF are in a time warp.”
    Yes I did. What was it supposed to mean?
    “–I cannot find that damn post in which I said they did ”
    Of course you can’t Sharon as you were ducking the question! Here it is again for you:
    “”Do you or do you not accept that commemorations do not win votes Sharon?”
    Answer it if you can.
    “Emmet , Tone and Pearse operating without a mandate and you support them in doing so ?”
    Yes I support the actions of these men centuries ago who lived in an Ireland that was oppressed. That’s alot different than in 2005 supporting terrorists in balaclavas in an Ireland where oppression no longer exists.
    “same struggle , same enemy!”
    Same struggle? Are you serious? What garbage.
    “but what the Unionists think has always mattered to us Republicans , ‘YI’”
    So you blew them up because…?
    “Which is why we desire to give them their own parliament in Ulster!”
    You left out “or else”…
    I see you ducked another question of mine regarding whether you thought RSF and CIRA were terrorists.
    Run away Sharon…

  42. Young Irelander avatar

    “–“taxes stopped at source ” too complicated for you to comprehend , ‘YI’ ?”
    Sharon you pay taxes to a State you claim to oppose. You’re a hypocrite.
    “You said yourself they did not cover any of the 31 Easter Commemorations held by RSF – they did not ever report (on radio) that the events took place . Its called ‘censorship’”
    It’s not censorship, it’s you talking out of your backside because you know RSF are irrelevant. The Irish communists would gain more votes. LOL.
    “And , no , I never did count those ‘non-voters’ in to the equation as ‘NO’ (or ‘YES’) voters ”
    Actually you did as YOU brought up those who didn’t vote, not me.
    “So if its not on the TV …then it did’nt happen”
    Actually I never said that. I said as it wasn’t on the TV it wasn’t deemed important by RTE. Do keep up love.
    “in reply to you – yes , I did ”
    So you admit you used capital letters and that your attack on me for doing so was hypocritical. Thanks.
    “What a fantasy world you live in , ‘YI’ ”
    Says the woman who thinks that the opinions of Tone, Emmet and Pearse are relevant to 2005 and who thinks RTE are censoring RSF. LOL!
    “2 people at a ‘YI’ Easter Commemoration – LOL – I can picture it now … !]”
    If you attend RSF commemorations you could easily picture it. LOL!
    “mine , from an earlier post – and you took that to read – “Yes . RSF are in a time warp.”
    Yes I did. What was it supposed to mean?
    “–I cannot find that damn post in which I said they did ”
    Of course you can’t Sharon as you were ducking the question! Here it is again for you:
    “”Do you or do you not accept that commemorations do not win votes Sharon?”
    Answer it if you can.
    “Emmet , Tone and Pearse operating without a mandate and you support them in doing so ?”
    Yes I support the actions of these men centuries ago who lived in an Ireland that was oppressed. That’s alot different than in 2005 supporting terrorists in balaclavas in an Ireland where oppression no longer exists.
    “same struggle , same enemy!”
    Same struggle? Are you serious? What garbage.
    “but what the Unionists think has always mattered to us Republicans , ‘YI’”
    So you blew them up because…?
    “Which is why we desire to give them their own parliament in Ulster!”
    You left out “or else”…
    I see you ducked another question of mine regarding whether you thought RSF and CIRA were terrorists.
    Run away Sharon…

  43. Young Irelander avatar

    “–“taxes stopped at source ” too complicated for you to comprehend , ‘YI’ ?”
    Sharon you pay taxes to a State you claim to oppose. You’re a hypocrite.
    “You said yourself they did not cover any of the 31 Easter Commemorations held by RSF – they did not ever report (on radio) that the events took place . Its called ‘censorship’”
    It’s not censorship, it’s you talking out of your backside because you know RSF are irrelevant. The Irish communists would gain more votes. LOL.
    “And , no , I never did count those ‘non-voters’ in to the equation as ‘NO’ (or ‘YES’) voters ”
    Actually you did as YOU brought up those who didn’t vote, not me.
    “So if its not on the TV …then it did’nt happen”
    Actually I never said that. I said as it wasn’t on the TV it wasn’t deemed important by RTE. Do keep up love.
    “in reply to you – yes , I did ”
    So you admit you used capital letters and that your attack on me for doing so was hypocritical. Thanks.
    “What a fantasy world you live in , ‘YI’ ”
    Says the woman who thinks that the opinions of Tone, Emmet and Pearse are relevant to 2005 and who thinks RTE are censoring RSF. LOL!
    “2 people at a ‘YI’ Easter Commemoration – LOL – I can picture it now … !]”
    If you attend RSF commemorations you could easily picture it. LOL!
    “mine , from an earlier post – and you took that to read – “Yes . RSF are in a time warp.”
    Yes I did. What was it supposed to mean?
    “–I cannot find that damn post in which I said they did ”
    Of course you can’t Sharon as you were ducking the question! Here it is again for you:
    “”Do you or do you not accept that commemorations do not win votes Sharon?”
    Answer it if you can.
    “Emmet , Tone and Pearse operating without a mandate and you support them in doing so ?”
    Yes I support the actions of these men centuries ago who lived in an Ireland that was oppressed. That’s alot different than in 2005 supporting terrorists in balaclavas in an Ireland where oppression no longer exists.
    “same struggle , same enemy!”
    Same struggle? Are you serious? What garbage.
    “but what the Unionists think has always mattered to us Republicans , ‘YI’”
    So you blew them up because…?
    “Which is why we desire to give them their own parliament in Ulster!”
    You left out “or else”…
    I see you ducked another question of mine regarding whether you thought RSF and CIRA were terrorists.
    Run away Sharon…

  44. Sharon O' Suillibhan. avatar

    “Sharon you pay taxes to a State you claim to oppose. You’re a hypocrite.”
    –But of course all of us PAYE workers do – believe it or not , we have to queue up outside the Revenue Offices each week to hand over our tax . And its a BIG queue – then they prise the money our of your hand … and that happens each week , ‘YI’ .
    In your head , apparently … !!
    “It’s not censorship, it’s you talking out of your backside because you know RSF are irrelevant. The Irish communists would gain more votes. LOL.”
    –but it so obviously is censorship ! And , whats more , ‘YI’ – YOUR ’64-person’ party would probably get more votes , too ! Especially if you were doing the counting… LOL !!
    “Actually you did as YOU brought up those who didn’t vote, not me.”
    –in a separate (ie their own!) category ,if you care to check ! Walking into it again , ‘YI’ … !!
    “Actually I never said that. I said as it wasn’t on the TV it wasn’t deemed important by RTE. ”
    –and you agree with that ? Do you think that RTE should decide what is or is not ‘important’ enough for the public to watch ?
    “Do keep up love.”
    “..love.. “ ??
    Ohhh … honoured , I’m sure ..but just HOW lonely are you , dear …. ??
    “So you admit you used capital letters and that your attack on me for doing so was hypocritical.”
    –I used caps in reply to your use of them , yes .HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT ….. LOL !!!
    “Says the woman who thinks that the opinions of Tone, Emmet and Pearse are relevant to 2005 and who thinks RTE are censoring RSF.”
    –…says the same poster that thinks George Bush is suitable to lecture to the world on ‘terrorism’ …!!
    “If you attend RSF commemorations you could easily picture it.”
    –have you ever attended an RSF commemoration with just two people in attendance at it … ? You have ?
    When was this … ? Keep that shovel handy , ‘YI’ .. !!
    “Yes I did. What was it supposed to mean?” The following , that is .. )
    ” Oh right … a ‘time warp’ as in where you keep doing the same thing over …and over …. and over again , you mean … πŸ˜‰
    Even though it failed before ?”
    –PSF are doing the same as has been done before , not RSF . Do try to keep up , love … !
    “–I cannot find that damn post in which I said they did ”
    “Of course you can’t Sharon as you ….. uh …did’nt write it in the first place , Sharon . But I believe you did …” LOL !!
    “Yes I support the actions of these men centuries ago who lived in an Ireland that was oppressed. That’s alot different than in 2005 supporting terrorists in balaclavas in an Ireland where oppression no longer exists.”
    –…oh …eh …right …so – NOT having a mandate is perfectly acceptable DEPENDING on the century you live in … yes … I see …. Is there a shovel big enough for you , ‘YI’ … !!
    “Same struggle? Are you serious? What garbage.”
    –Yes , same struggle . To remove the British military and political presence from Ireland , and end Westminsters jurisdictional claim over any part of this island . Is that really news to you ? If so , you have obviously been watching RTE TV too much .. !!
    “So you blew them up because…?”
    –…eh …because of the same reasons Emmet , Tone and Pearse did ? And you supported their actions , ‘YI’ , did you not .. ?
    “I see you ducked another question of mine regarding whether you thought RSF and CIRA were terrorists.”
    –they would be to you and Mr Bush , obviously ! But I don’t see either of those two groups as “terrorist” groups , no .
    Could Emmet , Tone and Pearse be so described , in your opinion ?
    “Run away Sharon… ”
    –and you “run away …” , love ! And make like Christy Moore – ‘Don’t Forget Your Shovel … ‘ LOL !!
    Sharon.

  45. Young Irelander avatar

    Sharon
    “But of course all of us PAYE workers do – believe it or not.”
    Most PAYE workers are quite happy with the State but you are a RSF supporter and you pay you taxes to a State you are supposed to oppose. What a hypocrite you are!
    “but it so obviously is censorship !”
    How?
    “And , whats more , ‘YI’ – YOUR ’64-person’ party would probably get more votes , too”
    So you admit your party is a joke? LOL!
    “in a separate (ie their own!) category”
    Nonsense.
    “and you agree with that ? Do you think that RTE should decide what is or is not ‘important’ enough for the public to watch ?”
    Questions designed to get away from the fact that you made something up.
    “just HOW lonely are you , dear”
    The irony of a Republican Sinn Fein supporter questioning someone’s loneliness!
    “–I used caps in reply to your use of them , yes”
    So you admit you used capital letters and that your attack on me for doing so was hypocritical?
    “says the same poster that thinks George Bush is suitable to lecture to the world on ‘terrorism’ ”
    And?
    “have you ever attended an RSF commemoration?”
    I don’t associate with criminals.
    “PSF are doing the same as has been done before , not RSF”
    What do PSF have to do with anything when I stated that RSF were in a time warp?
    ” –…oh …eh …right …so”
    Is this an impression of Father Dougal Maguire?
    “To remove the British military and political presence from Ireland , and end Westminsters jurisdictional claim over any part of this island ”
    And how is that deemed a ‘struggle’?
    “eh …because of the same reasons Emmet , Tone and Pearse did ?”
    You think Emmet, Tone and pearse were blowing up unionists? Get some history lessons.
    “But I don’t see either of those two groups as “terrorist” groups , no .”
    You’re a disgrace.
    “and you “run away …”
    Sharon seriously you’d be great for UTV…

  46. Young Irelander avatar

    Sharon
    “But of course all of us PAYE workers do – believe it or not.”
    Most PAYE workers are quite happy with the State but you are a RSF supporter and you pay you taxes to a State you are supposed to oppose. What a hypocrite you are!
    “but it so obviously is censorship !”
    How?
    “And , whats more , ‘YI’ – YOUR ’64-person’ party would probably get more votes , too”
    So you admit your party is a joke? LOL!
    “in a separate (ie their own!) category”
    Nonsense.
    “and you agree with that ? Do you think that RTE should decide what is or is not ‘important’ enough for the public to watch ?”
    Questions designed to get away from the fact that you made something up.
    “just HOW lonely are you , dear”
    The irony of a Republican Sinn Fein supporter questioning someone’s loneliness!
    “–I used caps in reply to your use of them , yes”
    So you admit you used capital letters and that your attack on me for doing so was hypocritical?
    “says the same poster that thinks George Bush is suitable to lecture to the world on ‘terrorism’ ”
    And?
    “have you ever attended an RSF commemoration?”
    I don’t associate with criminals.
    “PSF are doing the same as has been done before , not RSF”
    What do PSF have to do with anything when I stated that RSF were in a time warp?
    ” –…oh …eh …right …so”
    Is this an impression of Father Dougal Maguire?
    “To remove the British military and political presence from Ireland , and end Westminsters jurisdictional claim over any part of this island ”
    And how is that deemed a ‘struggle’?
    “eh …because of the same reasons Emmet , Tone and Pearse did ?”
    You think Emmet, Tone and pearse were blowing up unionists? Get some history lessons.
    “But I don’t see either of those two groups as “terrorist” groups , no .”
    You’re a disgrace.
    “and you “run away …”
    Sharon seriously you’d be great for UTV…

  47. Young Irelander avatar

    Sharon
    “But of course all of us PAYE workers do – believe it or not.”
    Most PAYE workers are quite happy with the State but you are a RSF supporter and you pay you taxes to a State you are supposed to oppose. What a hypocrite you are!
    “but it so obviously is censorship !”
    How?
    “And , whats more , ‘YI’ – YOUR ’64-person’ party would probably get more votes , too”
    So you admit your party is a joke? LOL!
    “in a separate (ie their own!) category”
    Nonsense.
    “and you agree with that ? Do you think that RTE should decide what is or is not ‘important’ enough for the public to watch ?”
    Questions designed to get away from the fact that you made something up.
    “just HOW lonely are you , dear”
    The irony of a Republican Sinn Fein supporter questioning someone’s loneliness!
    “–I used caps in reply to your use of them , yes”
    So you admit you used capital letters and that your attack on me for doing so was hypocritical?
    “says the same poster that thinks George Bush is suitable to lecture to the world on ‘terrorism’ ”
    And?
    “have you ever attended an RSF commemoration?”
    I don’t associate with criminals.
    “PSF are doing the same as has been done before , not RSF”
    What do PSF have to do with anything when I stated that RSF were in a time warp?
    ” –…oh …eh …right …so”
    Is this an impression of Father Dougal Maguire?
    “To remove the British military and political presence from Ireland , and end Westminsters jurisdictional claim over any part of this island ”
    And how is that deemed a ‘struggle’?
    “eh …because of the same reasons Emmet , Tone and Pearse did ?”
    You think Emmet, Tone and pearse were blowing up unionists? Get some history lessons.
    “But I don’t see either of those two groups as “terrorist” groups , no .”
    You’re a disgrace.
    “and you “run away …”
    Sharon seriously you’d be great for UTV…

  48. PS avatar

    And , actually , the Sunningdale Treaty (1973) offered more than the 1998 treaty did to Irish Republicans ,
    Sharon
    In what sense do you feel that Sunningdale was better for Republicans than the GFA? And can you outline how the cause of a 32 county Irish Republic will be advanced by Republican Sinn FΓ©in, how they are making the Republic a reality or working towards that aim?

  49. Sharon O' Suillibhan. avatar

    “Most PAYE workers are quite happy with the State but you are a RSF supporter and you pay you taxes to a State you are supposed to oppose. What a hypocrite you are!”
    –I think you are now beginning to recognise the difference , ‘YI’ …and about time !
    Do I “pay my taxes… ” or are they stopped at source ?
    Thank you for the belated recognition of the actual difference between the two scenarios !
    “How?”
    how is censorship , censorship … ? What class of a question is that … LOL !
    “So you admit your party is a joke?”
    –compared to your ’64 Person Easter Commemoration Party’ , ‘YI’ …. – other parties pail into insignificance ….!
    “Nonsense.”
    –but it’s there in black and white – in one of the above threads . And your shovel …well , wherever DID you leave it …. !!
    I asked –
    “…and you agree with that ? Do you think that RTE should decide what is or is not ‘important’ enough for the public to watch ?” ”
    …and ‘YI’ ‘answered’ (!)
    ” Questions designed to get away from the fact that you made something up. ”
    Well ..now that thats cleared up .. !
    “The irony of a Republican Sinn Fein supporter questioning someone’s loneliness!”
    –and me just trying to be kind to you ! I believe you are having a stressed childhood , ‘YI’ … LOL !
    “So you admit you used capital letters and that your attack on me for doing so was hypocritical?”
    –…uh …. no …never did .. !!
    “I don’t associate with criminals.”
    –yet you pay taxes to them . Why you hypocrite , you … !
    “What do PSF have to do with anything when I stated that RSF were in a time warp?”
    — I was pointing out that , in my opinion , it is PSF that are in the ‘Time Warp’ , Scotty , not RSF … !
    “Is this an impression of Father Dougal Maguire?”
    –is he the one from ‘The Magic Roundabout’ , ‘YI’ ?
    Sorry – I don’t watch childrens TV programmes !!
    “And how is that deemed a ‘struggle’?”
    –Well …it CAN make one break a sweat , you know … !
    “You think Emmet, Tone and pearse were blowing up unionists? Get some history lessons.”
    — are you claiming that NO unionists died during their campaigns ?
    “You’re a disgrace.”
    –just because I don’t watch childrens TV programmes …. πŸ˜‰ Thats harsh , ‘YI’ …. ;-(
    “In what sense do you feel that Sunningdale was better for Republicans than the GFA? And can you outline how the cause of a 32 county Irish Republic will be advanced by Republican Sinn FΓ©in, how they are making the Republic a reality or working towards that aim?”
    –And just where exactly did I post that “… Sunningdale was better for Republicans than the GFA? … “ , ‘YI’ ??
    Did I post that at all , do you think … ?Did you find your shovel yet .. ? (!!)
    Sharon .

  50. Young Irelander avatar

    Sharon
    “Do I “pay my taxes… ” or are they stopped at source ?”
    You pay your taxes to a State you claim to oppose. Hypocrite.
    “What class of a question is that”
    A valid one. I asked how it’s obvious that RTE were censoring you. You ducked the question.
    “compared to your ’64 Person Easter Commemoration Party’”
    What party is this? More lies. More questions ducked by Sharon…
    “but it’s there in black and white – in one of the above threads”
    Show me. I think you’re lying.
    “And your shovel…”
    This is just gibberish.
    “I asked –
    “…and you agree with that ? Do you think that RTE should decide what is or is not ‘important’ enough for the public to watch ?” ”
    Yes you did ask that…to get away from the fact you had lied about me on this thread when I had said:
    ” Actually I never said that. I said as it wasn’t on the TV it wasn’t deemed important by RTE. ”
    Glad to see you have acknowledged your own lies and the fact you have ducked questions. There’s hope for you yet.
    “I believe you are having a stressed childhood”
    One of many flawed beliefs you have.
    “never did .. !!”
    I think you did.
    “yet you pay taxes to them ”
    I don’t pay taxes to criminals.
    “I was pointing out that , in my opinion , it is PSF that are in the ‘Time Warp’ ”
    So you were ducking the point. I see.
    “Sorry – I don’t watch childrens TV programmes !!”
    No it’s not from a children’s show. An RSF supporter out of touch with popular culture. Imagine that.
    “it CAN make one break a sweat , you know … !”
    More nonsensical gibberish…
    “are you claiming that NO unionists died during their campaigns ?”
    That was not my claim. Reread the post. More lies.
    “just because I don’t watch childrens TV programmes …. ;-)”
    Another ducked question. Fair enough. You appear to have conceded the argument to me.
    “And just where exactly did I post that “… Sunningdale was better for Republicans than the GFA? … ” , ‘YI’ ??
    Did I post that at all , do you think … ?Did you find your shovel yet .. ? (!!)”
    Do yourself a favour Sharon and read who actually posted that question.
    It just confirms my earlier thoguhts that you are a fool.
    I am done with this discussion as I have clearly won it. I have made points that you have ducked or else responded to with ‘witty’ (ahem) comments.
    I am done with this thread. I won’t be responding any more.
    If PS has any sesne he won’t waste as much time as I did trying to have an intelligent discussion with somebody clearly lacking in intelligence.
    Regards.

  51. Young Irelander avatar

    Sharon
    “Do I “pay my taxes… ” or are they stopped at source ?”
    You pay your taxes to a State you claim to oppose. Hypocrite.
    “What class of a question is that”
    A valid one. I asked how it’s obvious that RTE were censoring you. You ducked the question.
    “compared to your ’64 Person Easter Commemoration Party’”
    What party is this? More lies. More questions ducked by Sharon…
    “but it’s there in black and white – in one of the above threads”
    Show me. I think you’re lying.
    “And your shovel…”
    This is just gibberish.
    “I asked –
    “…and you agree with that ? Do you think that RTE should decide what is or is not ‘important’ enough for the public to watch ?” ”
    Yes you did ask that…to get away from the fact you had lied about me on this thread when I had said:
    ” Actually I never said that. I said as it wasn’t on the TV it wasn’t deemed important by RTE. ”
    Glad to see you have acknowledged your own lies and the fact you have ducked questions. There’s hope for you yet.
    “I believe you are having a stressed childhood”
    One of many flawed beliefs you have.
    “never did .. !!”
    I think you did.
    “yet you pay taxes to them ”
    I don’t pay taxes to criminals.
    “I was pointing out that , in my opinion , it is PSF that are in the ‘Time Warp’ ”
    So you were ducking the point. I see.
    “Sorry – I don’t watch childrens TV programmes !!”
    No it’s not from a children’s show. An RSF supporter out of touch with popular culture. Imagine that.
    “it CAN make one break a sweat , you know … !”
    More nonsensical gibberish…
    “are you claiming that NO unionists died during their campaigns ?”
    That was not my claim. Reread the post. More lies.
    “just because I don’t watch childrens TV programmes …. ;-)”
    Another ducked question. Fair enough. You appear to have conceded the argument to me.
    “And just where exactly did I post that “… Sunningdale was better for Republicans than the GFA? … ” , ‘YI’ ??
    Did I post that at all , do you think … ?Did you find your shovel yet .. ? (!!)”
    Do yourself a favour Sharon and read who actually posted that question.
    It just confirms my earlier thoguhts that you are a fool.
    I am done with this discussion as I have clearly won it. I have made points that you have ducked or else responded to with ‘witty’ (ahem) comments.
    I am done with this thread. I won’t be responding any more.
    If PS has any sesne he won’t waste as much time as I did trying to have an intelligent discussion with somebody clearly lacking in intelligence.
    Regards.

  52. Young Irelander avatar

    Sharon
    “Do I “pay my taxes… ” or are they stopped at source ?”
    You pay your taxes to a State you claim to oppose. Hypocrite.
    “What class of a question is that”
    A valid one. I asked how it’s obvious that RTE were censoring you. You ducked the question.
    “compared to your ’64 Person Easter Commemoration Party’”
    What party is this? More lies. More questions ducked by Sharon…
    “but it’s there in black and white – in one of the above threads”
    Show me. I think you’re lying.
    “And your shovel…”
    This is just gibberish.
    “I asked –
    “…and you agree with that ? Do you think that RTE should decide what is or is not ‘important’ enough for the public to watch ?” ”
    Yes you did ask that…to get away from the fact you had lied about me on this thread when I had said:
    ” Actually I never said that. I said as it wasn’t on the TV it wasn’t deemed important by RTE. ”
    Glad to see you have acknowledged your own lies and the fact you have ducked questions. There’s hope for you yet.
    “I believe you are having a stressed childhood”
    One of many flawed beliefs you have.
    “never did .. !!”
    I think you did.
    “yet you pay taxes to them ”
    I don’t pay taxes to criminals.
    “I was pointing out that , in my opinion , it is PSF that are in the ‘Time Warp’ ”
    So you were ducking the point. I see.
    “Sorry – I don’t watch childrens TV programmes !!”
    No it’s not from a children’s show. An RSF supporter out of touch with popular culture. Imagine that.
    “it CAN make one break a sweat , you know … !”
    More nonsensical gibberish…
    “are you claiming that NO unionists died during their campaigns ?”
    That was not my claim. Reread the post. More lies.
    “just because I don’t watch childrens TV programmes …. ;-)”
    Another ducked question. Fair enough. You appear to have conceded the argument to me.
    “And just where exactly did I post that “… Sunningdale was better for Republicans than the GFA? … ” , ‘YI’ ??
    Did I post that at all , do you think … ?Did you find your shovel yet .. ? (!!)”
    Do yourself a favour Sharon and read who actually posted that question.
    It just confirms my earlier thoguhts that you are a fool.
    I am done with this discussion as I have clearly won it. I have made points that you have ducked or else responded to with ‘witty’ (ahem) comments.
    I am done with this thread. I won’t be responding any more.
    If PS has any sesne he won’t waste as much time as I did trying to have an intelligent discussion with somebody clearly lacking in intelligence.
    Regards.

  53. Sharon O' Suillibhan. avatar

    “You pay your taxes to a State you claim to oppose. Hypocrite.”
    ” pay..” or “deducted at source .. ” ?? ‘Pay’ = Choice / ‘Source’= No Choice.
    And you were soooo close to realising the difference , ‘YI’ . I can only blame myself …. πŸ˜‰
    “A valid one. I asked how it’s obvious that RTE were censoring you. You ducked the question.”
    –yet you yourself admitted that RSF events are not seen on RTE . You have (unknowingly!) answered your own question – thanks !
    “What party is this? More lies. More questions ducked by Sharon…”
    Ohhh ! Sounds to me like there has been a split in the *’64 Person Easter Commemoration Party’ already … !
    (* For short – the ‘YIPP’s’ – the ‘Young Irelander Peoples Party’ ).
    “Show me. I think you’re lying.”
    — Oh nasty ! “Lying” , eh …
    From this thread , 4 August – I posted –
    “-Uh ….considering that 43.97 per cent of those entitled to vote on the ‘GFA’ in this State just did’nt bother doing so , and 19 per cent of those entitled to vote on same in the Six Cos just did’nt bother doing so either ….and , of those that DID vote in this State , 5.6 per cent voted ‘NO’ , as did 28.88 per cent of those that DID vote in the Six Cos … ”
    Please note – a seperate entry for the ‘NO’ voters , as I said . Could you not have checked back yourself , dear – I could have chipped a nail …LOL !!
    ” Actually I never said that. I said as it wasn’t on the TV it wasn’t deemed important by RTE. “
    –My God but you are tying yourself up in knots … !
    When , exactly , did you write the above ? And you check this time , ‘YI’ – I don’t care about your nails !
    “One of many flawed beliefs you have.”
    –you mean like believing George Bush Jnr when he tells you someone is a “terrorist” ?? A dreadful handicap , by all accounts … !
    “never did .. !!”
    I think you did. ”

    ….uh…. what are you on about now … ??
    “I don’t pay taxes to criminals.”
    –well …perhaps not intentionally , anyway …. But then again , none of us do . Even if it is stopped at source … !
    “No it’s not from a children’s show. An RSF supporter out of touch with popular culture. Imagine that.”
    I’m sorry , ‘YI’ – did you just describe a children’s TV show as “popular culture “ ? And the ‘Dukes Of Hazzard’ is real life . Honestly … LOL !!
    “That was not my claim. Reread the post.”
    –So Emmet , Tone and Pearse did kill Unionists (amongst others) to further their political objectives ? Do you agree ?
    “Do yourself a favour Sharon and read who actually posted that question.”
    –Did I post that … “… Sunningdale was better for Republicans than the GFA? … “ , as you claimed I did ?
    “It just confirms my earlier thoguhts that you are a fool.”
    –another typo . Say nothing . I am referring to the whole sentence , by the way … !
    “I am done with this discussion as I have clearly won it.”
    –should that not be “…one it … “ , as in the number of clear replies I got from you … ? (!)
    “If PS has any sesne he won’t waste as much time as I did trying to have an intelligent discussion with somebody clearly lacking in intelligence.”
    –Oh I’m hurt …. ;-(
    No – seriously , ‘YI’ – I would strongly advise that you refrain from posting comment outside your own blog from now on . It is a cruel world – better you stay within the confines of the area you are familiar with . You have ‘friends’* there that might ‘back’ you up .
    (*’YIPP’s’ )
    “Regards.”
    It has been …uh … an….’experience’ … conversing with you , ‘YI’ . I would think that in a few years time you might be ready for adult conversation . Keep practising !
    Sharon .

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